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Post by Gottgin on Jun 5, 2008 5:05:03 GMT -8
I suggest that the new characters that are grouping with elders to gain levels stop at intervals to work their skills to a reasonable standard. What good is a level 60 toon with skills at 3/248?. You cannot survive when you fizzle more than you hit if casting and cant pull agro off your healer for melees?....my 2cp worth I have been seeing alot of youngers rifling through levels. They cannot be keeping their skills up. We as a guild need strong players That know their characters and use teamwork to kill things bigger than they can solo. The elders are holding up their end by grouping with the younger ones. The younger ones need to use that time to build skills as well as levels.
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Post by Brawlgin Skulforge on Jun 5, 2008 5:26:11 GMT -8
i agree some players may wonder why the have problems gettin groups ... loot hogs.. not fightin or helping.. not playin your class well ,.. or right.. and many more things can lead to a burden. Member one thing,..people pay to play for fun not to make this another job.. so learn your toon. grow with your toon , learn what it can and can't do. Work skills and be respectful.. that will help you get / keep groups .. and learn to take advice to become better. my 2 cp good luck..
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Post by Naturezkiss Portalbeauty on Jun 5, 2008 5:28:51 GMT -8
I couldnt have said it better Ventor, Thank You I would like to add also until they understand what looting rights are they should not loot anything without the permission on the grp leader whoever that would be. Need Before Greed being the first and foremost rule!!! OOO i might end up on a /rant here so instead ill just say how do we elders get through to the youngster should we do tough luv and 3 strikes ur out. give them guidance but boot um if they arent making changes
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Post by Uomanrotyr/Soman on Jun 5, 2008 5:41:50 GMT -8
Well, we can hope they work their skills and learn their toons, but most seem to sign up for the boards and then never check it or post. A lot of them also seem to get... pissy if you won't drop everything you're doing and group w/ them. Also seen people in the guild grouping w/ people who sell pl'ing in game that are in this new batch, but hey got passed over when i mentioned it to one of the officers because he likes him.
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Post by Gottgin on Jun 5, 2008 5:43:50 GMT -8
Looting is always a touchy subject. But if you join a group in progress looting rights usually have already been set up. Please out of common courtesy if in doubt don't loot. Hold yourself to the highest standards. KOTF Does not want to be tarnished in any way. Almost all guilds have "need before greed" loot clauses. But to assume so is wrong. Always error on the side that makes our guild look good to others. Some groups roll for good drops.. but in our Guild if someone can use the nice drop . they get it. automatically. if 2 need it they roll. Only if no one needs does it fall to alts. I would think if any in our guild need a drop for an alt those that want it only to sell would pass. only if none need for group or alts does it pass to a roll for sale.
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Post by marsadravoc on Jun 5, 2008 5:55:35 GMT -8
Guess I missed something here.. are we debating leveling to fast or bad looting?
I assume someone committed a foul last night.
Alot of people mention leveling to fast and not keeping skills up, etc. I can't speak for the caster side but on the melee side, you are only talking about a few days of skill ups to catch back up if you are churning out levels. I rather see more people level so that more guild groups can go to more zones than the same 3 or 4 due to level restrictions.
I have seen a few fast levelers myself in the past week or so, but I also noticed that this wasn't their first rodeo.
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Post by Naturezkiss Portalbeauty on Jun 5, 2008 5:56:19 GMT -8
I have to agree with Uo on both accounts first off Im quite sure when Im doing invites these people are told we expect them to check and post on the forums monthly but yet some just activate there accnt and never come back here then get upset when u direct them here instead of spoon feed then all the answers blaaah to that crap we who do use these boards keep up to date shouldnt have to fill the others in on the guild events or happenings or quests or whatever. the paying for pling i totally disagree with and find it to be tacky and less then honorable sorry to come off judgemental here but alot of the real players that are here for the long haul take pride in actually learning how to play the game, if you have to use cheats to get through the game what have you really proven other then to be couardess Im not sure i know who you are talking about but i really hope our members are more honorable then that.
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Post by Naturezkiss Portalbeauty on Jun 5, 2008 6:03:25 GMT -8
I think the real issue is that we are finding more players coming in that are less then clueless which is fine we all start somewhere but when they join your group there is lack of just a genral courtsy and respect both for growing thier own toons and the group they just got killed and ooo btw they looted things without asking or linking and they cant even wear it, its starting to wear thin on many its not for lack of trying to clue them in either as we are grouping with them and trying to be tollerable and teach them but thier errogance in the i can figure it out in time right now i just wanna lvl and make plat leaves a bitter taste in my mouth
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Post by Brawlgin Skulforge on Jun 5, 2008 6:10:33 GMT -8
I think skills that people see or speak on and the skills i brought up are not same ones.. skills i mean is not being lvl 40+ warrior and when asked if he taunting he says how... i understand the level to get to where bigger toons wanna go thing but i think we really need to look at issues here. many think death is nothing ,.. part of game... but for me... death = soulstone xxx plat rez xxx plat buffs xxx plat and long run back if all goes well. I have been so i seen it able to go along time with out dieing once... yes maybe not risky like others but slow progession is still moving in right direction,.. learned many zones that way and seen what it takes to do well in them zones. As for pling or people groupin with pling people... many if not most have been pled whether one pays for it or is friends with one who gets paid for it is neither here nor there...our rules have nothing about pling minus do not bug people for it if the person offers upon own will then there you go. Now i find it hard to get good groups ,, and since i been runnin outside my comfort zone i die alot.. and it urks me some because i have done it different for so long. But i am tryin to change.. lately things have made me revert to self groups or very selective groupin because my frustration was growin,,.. i want unity but seems when i try it is just not meant to be. Sorry if i make some people confused or upset just my 2 cp peace
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Post by Gottgin on Jun 5, 2008 6:12:02 GMT -8
so to sum up and keep this on topic
Play nice. do not tarnish the guild's name. Loot nice. hold the highest standards keep your skills up dont power lvl did i get them all? suggestions is the topic
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Post by Gottgin on Jun 5, 2008 6:12:50 GMT -8
I forgot learn your toon and play it well
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Post by Naturezkiss Portalbeauty on Jun 5, 2008 6:44:10 GMT -8
yes we did get off topic guess thats because while its many issues it all involing the new class of players , yes we all have pled a toon before i did my necro and shes garbage the diffrence is i know she he and im doing something to make her better ie maxing her skills grabbing well needed aas and these noobs dont seem to want to maybe im jusdging too harshly maybe in a yr they will have a new main that they actually want to learn as i do with naturez
ps srry spell checker not workin to catch typos lol
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Post by Striidar on Jun 5, 2008 6:57:17 GMT -8
Unfortunetly we can not stop anyone from powerleveling and not advancing their skills since they do have the right to play their toon as they see fit. The people that pay for pl however will lose interest in the game faster because they have not accomplished anything... They made a toon and someone else grew it. They feel no attachment to the toon then get in groups and don't have a clue what to do so they get tired of that toon-make a new toon and start the cycle over again.. I say-if you're in a group and a lvl 40 or so war is asked if he is taunting and his reply is-how?-I say boot him or get out of that group, nuttin but heartache is gonna come from it. -yes Brawl, I know whatcha ya mean...i've actually had this happen :-)-BUT we can get tough on the loot hogs and the one's that don't abide by the rules. As far as forums...i have no idea how to get people here--we can ask em to come here, but we can't make em. If someone asks a question about something that is posted on the forums-don't tell em the answer-tell em it's on the forums and go read if you want to know. I have been quilty of answering questions that I knew the answer was on the forums...but no more-my hotkey is set-READ the forums you lazy bum if you want to know the answer to that- :-) ok-it won't say lazy bum, I just threw that in there :-) I think it's time for some tough luv :-)
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Post by Xzutiz on Jun 5, 2008 7:31:46 GMT -8
I say to each his own or her own when it comes to lvls,aa's,skills- just remember if your bad at your toon you'll have a hard time getting a grp. Now the 2 things that really irk me are ninja looting and not fighting ( or healing-nuking-etc ) in a grp. I have no problem with some1 going afk or asking if they can get a certain drop. If your in a grp plz remember need before greed and have auto-split always on!! I also dont mind helping out or answering a question but plz read forums that is what they are here for ( information ). Maybe the 3 strikes rule should be applied as suggested earlier idk- i would really hate to see some1 kicked because of greed or ignorance but if it means less problems for the many maybe it should be done. I havent had too many problems with peeps in guild but there have been a couple of times and it will make me think twice about grping with those toons again. plz just respect each other and have fun. Just my 2cp /kneel
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Post by aeriun on Jun 5, 2008 22:37:05 GMT -8
For the most part, a toon is invited to a group because of what the class brings to the table. Its one thing if someone is learning the toon, different if they are being PLd and different still if they are just slacking. If im PLing a toon, i try to make sure I share what i know with them to help them in the long run. BTW, my idea of PL is taking the lowest level char who gets xp in a group with me and hunting in my xp zone, not out of group stuff. It is very important for a player to know what to do and when to do it to the benefit of the group, so if I have a new player I will work with them as best I can. I have even been known to let someone afk leach for 30mins in an emergency, depending on zone, group and leadership of group etc....
As far as loot, careful with autosplit, there are still people who dont like it. If you are grouping with people that you havent grouped with before, ask loot rules. I had a person I had never grouped with just start looting everything while I was pulling (yes I am a darn good puller tyvm) and I was group leader. I never questioned the looting, because I trusted the person from posts and from in-games tells from the recent past. The looter dutifully sold and split the plat and handed out the items to those who needed when we were in a downtime, so all worked well.
Long story short, it has been said already... Know your toon and your ability with your toon Contirbute to the group Ask questions Make sure that what you are doing is what was expected Be honorable at all times and in all things!
Hunt well!
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